[HoI2] How do you organize your Navy?

  • Montana_Prussian
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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #1 von Montana_Prussian
I like to set my navy up as follows:

Carrier Task Force:

4 CV
5-6 CL

SAG(Surface Action Group):

4-6 BB
1-2 CVL
4-6CL
2-4 DD

Cruiser Group:

4-6 CA
1 CVL
4-8 CL


ASW Group:

2-3 Ca or CL
3-5 DD

Submarine Group:

6-9 Subs.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #2 von Anonym
Depends on the nation.

My favorored battle group is 7 CVs, 2 CAs and 9 CLs under an admiral.

I like to have 4 BBs, 2 CVLs and 6 CLs with 12 transports for my amhib forces.

I find subs useless as the AI builds an ungodly amount of DDs so I don't bother with them.

Sometimes as germany I will build Battle cruisers in plcae of BBs for flavor and to save a little time and ICs.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #3 von Montana_Prussian

FFZ schrieb: Depends on the nation.

My favorored battle group is 7 CVs, 2 CAs and 9 CLs under an admiral.

I like to have 4 BBs, 2 CVLs and 6 CLs with 12 transports for my amhib forces.

I find subs useless as the AI builds an ungodly amount of DDs so I don't bother with them.

Sometimes as germany I will build Battle cruisers in plcae of BBs for flavor and to save a little time and ICs.


I have had great success with subs,both as Germany and the US,so as those two,I build lots of subs.

I usually have a SAG accompany my Amphibs,not actually grouped with them.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #4 von Anonym
To me Subs aern't worth the effort in ICs and research, some nice NAV bombers and CVs and CLs are worth so much more than subs!

I have a very ahistorical bent to teh way I play HoI2 I think, when I read teh Wiki for it I always disagree with what they say.

A good example of how I disagree was the blue emu thread on subs.

He went through a rediculous amount of micro managment to build subs and attack convoys to lower the Brits abilty to wage war.

I would have built Nav bombers, transports and Tank Armies and taken Britian in a year while he was still fooling with attacking convoys.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #5 von Hart
I don't!

As i have only played as Germany i only construct lots of u-boat wolf packs.

I have found that the u-boats are not as effective in Armaggedon as they were before.

In my current game i have just started 1944 and my whole research and production is now geared around the Kriegsmarine. I am a bit of a naval novice with HOI as i have never taken a game this far before. Normally once i have completely defeated the Russians i stop the game.

I'll let you know how i get on.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #6 von Montana_Prussian
Interesting. I only play DD,and unlike FFZ,I find that U-Boats are an excellent investment. They take less time and IC to construct than NAVs,and have much greater range. Plus,the US and Germany have several very good to excellent 'Sea Wolf' officers to go with them.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #7 von Hart
My wolf packs used to cause havoc with the British convoys, but with Armaggedon my wolf packs are intercepted and destroyed with alarming regularity.

I have just produced the first electro boats so it will be interesting to see if they fair any better.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #8 von Anonym
I suppose it is simply a matter of preference.

All to often when I build subs they die quickly and accomplish little.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #9 von Montana_Prussian
I have had really good luck,as i have said,using subs as both Germany and the USA. In an MP game a couple of months ago,my US subs sank every single Japanese convoy,for the loss of only 2 out of 42 subs.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #10 von Hart
That's the sort of success rates that i experienced with Doomsday.

I can only presume submarine warfare is a bit more difficult in Armaggedon.

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #11 von Montana_Prussian

hart2412 schrieb: That's the sort of success rates that i experienced with Doomsday.

I can only presume submarine warfare is a bit more difficult in Armaggedon.


Armageddon seems to have alot of problems,so I'll stay with DD :joint:

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #12 von Lt. J.B. Nerhood
If I may add my humble comments to this discussion as food for though to you very fine men. . . .

I have experimented with a modified version of what the US Pacific Fleet actually utilized during thier strategic operations in the Pacific against the Japanese during WWII.

I organize each Numbered Fleet under a Grand Admiral as follows:


4 CVA
4 BB
4 CA
6 CL
6 DD
6 SS

30 combat vessels per fleet.

In my most recent HOI/DD campaign, (other than Tacitus' Ottoman Adventure, which if I may say is quite neat!), I had a total of 12 fleets organized as indicated above, with seven operating in the Pacific and five operation in the Atlantic.

By using my Fleets to alternately raid convoys, interdict sea movement and challenge the Imperial Navy to a straight-up fight, by 1945 I had completely interdicted Japans' ability to provide resources to the Home Islands, supply it's Island bastions and destroyed the IJN's Naval Supremacy.

Also, I have had mixed results in creating "Dedicated Fleets" to achieve one specific objective or another. By this I mean that I won't waste resources on just convoy raiding with subs, destroyers and/or battle cruisers. In the past I tried this course of action and I found the results to be disasterous on my part.

Finally, I am not disappointed that the AI doesn't have a greater "stealth" capability for the subs in game play. We must remember that during WWII sub detection capabilities ran far ahead of detection avoidance technology and, coupled with the advent of the Escort Carrier and extended ranges of ASW Aircraft these two elements played a crucial role in the demise of the tactics of Sealane Interdiction. I find that the game accurately reflects this.

With warmest regards to all,


Jeffrey :joint:

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11 Jahre 9 Monate her #13 von GhOsT
Playing as German, i build like hart2412 a lot of submarines, packed in 10-12 stacks. The surface fleet i concentrate in one, no more ships building.

As Japan forcing CVs and CLs as much as i can.

As America CVs, BBs and DDs in 20 stacks.

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11 Jahre 3 Monate her #14 von blue emu
Needless to say, as Germany I build lots of Subs... usually 30 model-III and 30 model-IV Subs by summer 1939.

It has several points:

A U-Boat force of this size costs about as much in IC-days as two Bismarcks plus screens, or as much as three CV+CAGs plus screens... and I don't have to weep over losses the way I would if I had built BBs or CVs.

A sustained U-Boat campaign can sink all of the UK's convoys in less than a year, without interfering with German land operations against other nations. Without convoys, they cannot supply operations anywhere but in the UK itself. That means that the UK will quickly be turned into a world-spanning empire which can only fight on the home islands. This guards the back of the German Barbarossa forces, and allows the beach defenses in western Europe to be stripped to the bone, with most of those forces added to the invasion of the USSR... largely offsetting the cost of the Subs themselves.

By leaving the paralyzed UK to "wither on the vine" until after the Bitter Peace is achieved, you get to attack the USSR in 1940 (when they are weaker than in 1941), and then attack the UK in 1941 or 1942 (when they are weaker than in 1940).

Without supplies, the UK forces in India, Gibraltar, Malta, Singapore, etc will all starve-off and die, without a single German soldier losing his life in the process.

An equally important effect is that with their convoys destroyed, the UK will not have the "bottoms" to evacuate resources (Oil, Rares) out of the overseas colonies... so when these colonies are gobbled up cheaply and easily by Axis forces (Germany, Italy, Japan), the 9999-unit stockpiles will be overrun and captured... giving a big boost to the Axis Oil and Rares stockpiles.

The interference with supplies to the British fleet at Alexandria and to the UK army in Egypt will also kick-start the Italian war in North Africa.

I usually deploy the Subs in six-unit stacks, breaking them down later (after the ASW countermeasures have been suppressed) into 3-unit stacks.

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