[HoI2] Navy OOB

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11 Jahre 1 Monat her #1 von Hagakure
I dont know how to organize my navy. What ships shoud I group together and how many in one group?

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11 Jahre 1 Monat her #2 von JaGr
the best is 15 aircraft carrier and 15 light cruiser helmi_joint

15 heavy ships (battleships, battle Cruiser, Heavy cruiser, Aircraft Carrier) + 15 light Ships (Light Cruiser, Destroyer), if you group your navy so, you take a bonus to a fleet

15 battleships have no chance against carrier, only it is night and bad weather, then you have a chance,
else see picture

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11 Jahre 1 Monat her #3 von Dan
Well there should be half leaderships (CV, BB, CA, CVS) and half escort ships (CL, DD) in one stack.

CV and BB only should be grouped together when bad weather is expected. CV are bad ships in bad weather, but BB are ther very good.

CA are also good in poor weather conditions but not as powerfull as BBs.
CVS are good at hunter/killer groups and against marine bombers.

CL are good escort ships, but it's difficult to say which of the two escorters is best. Mainly, CL are good AA-Ships, but Destroyers are good against submarines.

The size of one stack depend on user's opinion. Some say 18 ships are more powerful than 30. But the people saying this, are viewed as marine-experts. In heartsofiron.de - forum its Stopper for example. He can tell you much more than I can.

Submarines are only grouped together with their sister ships. One stack should only carry out 6 submarines because in Doomsday submarines are not as powerful as in Hoi 2. In DD they only are good at decimating convoys.

Transporters should also be grouped together. Size is not important in my opinion. But one 6 ship Stack for the 2 landing marine corps is necessary. helmi_mgrin2:

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11 Jahre 1 Monat her #4 von User 2536
What do you play?
Hoi2
DD
or Arma?

There are diffrenz between the version.

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11 Jahre 1 Monat her #5 von Hagakure
HoI2 Arm. Im specially interested in organizing the german navy. I know I cant build a large fleet, but I woud like to have a few ships and actually win a battle :lachen:

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11 Jahre 1 Monat her #6 von JaGr
build 4 bismarck class battleships, then you have 1940 a small fleet, and take battleship mod with the tirpitz and bismarck as event; 6 battleships + your ships from the start, is enough at first;

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11 Jahre 1 Monat her #7 von User 2536
As germany, its better to give up the doktrin!

BBs are ok against the france and royal Navy at the beginnig. But no chance against USN and the CV!

Build CVL!! They are good for transport-fleets and battle-fleets too!!
Against Naval-bomber and Submarines.

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11 Jahre 3 Wochen her #8 von Simon
the cvl's are cheaper than CA's and soak up the damage that your BB would take - BB's attack minor ships first then attack capital ships in battle to my knowledge...

what is your view on using a lot of airforce against the enemy? gamey or not? thaat also depends....

and i would agree on the doctrine point......the german doctrines.....ehhhh.....can I say that they suck rear without getting spanked publicly? helmi_mgrin2:

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11 Jahre 3 Wochen her #9 von Hagakure
I gave up on the german navy.. at least this game but I still love to build u-boats :lachen:

I`m playing the Compendium mod and have to be very carefull how I use my manpower.

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11 Jahre 3 Wochen her #10 von Simon
yeah i also have a soft spot for the Uboot's - takes a bit more care and thinking but they can still do good when used properly.....I guess I just smell the seawater when I fool around with them (the old man is a fisherman....so ive been out there even uf i cant swim)

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11 Jahre 1 Woche her #11 von blue emu
One new possibility for a cheap but effective Navy that we have been given by the new Naval brigades in Armageddon is the "Cruizerg" fleet. As Germany, try building an 18-ship fleet composed of:

6 x CA-IV (no brigades)
2 x CVL-II
10 x CL-IV (Fire Control brigades)

Adding the Fire Control brigades to the Light Cruisers will extend their firing range out to the same distance as the (unbrigaded) Heavy Cruisers... so that if your fleet can get into range at all, then every ship can shoot instead of only the capital ships shooting while the screening ships just hang around.

In fact, the above fleet derives 60% of its firepower from the Light Cruisers! It has a very high total firepower (since every ship fights), but is quite quick and cheap to build, compared to a Battleship force.

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11 Jahre 1 Woche her #12 von lordgoof
with germany i start to build a level 5 /6 carrier force as soon as i successfully land operation sealion, in 1941 that is. so by the time i am ready to invade the US, i have about 20 carriers. and if you take russia, you can easily have an IC of around 500 which can supporta fleet that size.

for fleet composition, i go 5 carriers, 6 CL's and 7 DD's. the superior carriers usually dominate against the level 4 US ones, and hopefully over half the US navy is in the pacific.

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11 Jahre 1 Woche her #13 von Lt. J.B. Nerhood
I think there's already a thread for this topic somewhere here on the Forum. But, with your permission I'll sound-off for myself and Fleet composition:

I try to go with a 1 for 1 balance in Capital Ships to Escort Vessels as a base. In general my main Battle Groups are composed as follows:

5 CVA
5 BB
5 CA/BC
5 CL
10 DD

30 Vessels in each Battle Group.

For Convoy Raiding duties and interdiction roles: (I use the term "Task Force" and label each force accordingly)

5 CVL
5 BC
5 CL
5 DD

20 Vessels in each Task Force


Or:

30 Submarine Divisions.

I also wish to note that I usually always play as the USA to have this type of Naval dominance. Being the USA gives me a larger industrial base to build 5 or 6 Main Battle Groups and several smaller "Raiding" Task Forces.

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11 Jahre 1 Woche her #14 von Lt. J.B. Nerhood

lordgoof schrieb: meh, USA is too easy. i guess germany isn't much better though.


Yes, you're right. Playing as the USA is "easy". Perhaps even too easy.

I have played as Germany many times, and I've never been able to duplcate the same sort of success as I get with the USA. (I mean with respect to Naval forces). I've been watching Montana's AAR and I've learned a few new ideas and apporaches to developing a stronger naval force so I'm keen to try them myself once I get a free day or three.

England is somewhat different. She already possess a large Naval force and this is due to her need to protect her far flung Empire. Organizing England's navy along the same lines is much more attainable

Along the same lines though, are you able to update your AAR or are you still experiencing the computer issues mentioned earlier?

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